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Post by Kate on Nov 5, 2005 13:29:37 GMT -5
if christians believe that the bible is the solumn word of God then when Christ said He was going to His other folds and make His followers all one flock then He must have meant just that. that would explain the dreams i have been having since 1988. i have been dreaming of another race. a race coming back with Christ. in 1988 i dreamed i married a man, a man who follows Christ now, and last night i dreamed he brought me flowers.
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Post by renewedsaint on Nov 6, 2005 18:34:31 GMT -5
Kate,
When Christ speaks of "other folds" he is foretelling the bringing of salvation unto the Gentiles (those outside of the Jewish tradition, who prior to Christ were the only ones to inherit salvation), not another race. That is clear from the setting in which he is speaking (in front of his Jewish disciples) and from the other teachings of the Bible. For example, the Bible teaches that in Christ we are neither greek nor Jew, male nor female, slave or freeman... in other words, there is no distinction in race anymore, hence the teaching he has made us "one flock".
Have you posted dreams related to this "other race"?
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Post by Kate on Nov 6, 2005 19:10:46 GMT -5
i think with the doubt here now i want to wait until i have more dreams that do happen before i get into very personal dreams of this other race. the dream of steve and it happening and the dream of the kidnapping of the college student was not enough to show them happening for many. i am confident in God and His confidence in me to pass these on to know that there will be more dreams for the world to see. next week will be 2 but for many not even those will be enough. when i have put some on here that everyone can watch i have many dreams of this other race i will share. the dream of the sign from God i had in february i sent out to many people via e mail. i kept those e mails so i can prove i had that dream before it happened and i also have several other e's of the dreams i put in the chat rooms because God told me they would not listen to Him even with proof. you can not change e's sent on a computer. they are all dated. God told me the doubt i would be up against but i know israel heard my messages from God because they would not let me enter israel in march. the flight was money spent hoping men would look at God and hear His words just once. they did not let me speak of any more dreams after the gulf war either. every time i called their mission at the u.n. after the war they hung up on me even though they watched many dreams during the war. but all of that is in my web page. i did not write my web page it was done for me. i am computer illiterate. my son put my forum here to make it easy for me to talk about my dreams but my dreams have not changed. they are still happening and will continue to. when enough hear my words i will speak of this race coming with Christ. they hear His words and heed them. we do not. patience. everyone will see who is speaking truth and who is crazy. peace and blessings, kate
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Post by renewedsaint on Nov 7, 2005 9:50:16 GMT -5
I think you missed my point Kate. You can not twist scripture and take it out of context to mean what you want. The meaning is as I described above. Whatever your dreams mean, they are not fulfillment of Christ's words because fulfillment has already happened - the gospel was brought to the gentiles.
You seem to do things backwards. You dream and establish it as divine revelation then find writings that support it. Writings, such as the Bible, that claim to be God's revelation and should be sought first before claiming to have revelation. At least, that is the Christian perspective.
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Post by Kate on Nov 7, 2005 17:04:47 GMT -5
i am sorry but i think you have missed my point. all of my life i have been dreaming of things i see in the news 2 weeks later. for almost 50 years i have been studying my dreams. i have had many other dreams of the last days and of Christs return. if you read my web page you know this though. i have had many dreams of God and i know how i felt when i had them. since everyone who has heard my dreams preferred to interpret them instead of having patience and watching to see if i was saying something worth listening to and if they were happening as i was dreaming them very few saw what really happens. very few cared if what i was saying was from God. everyone is right except me. at least that is what i am getting from the world. most like my own brother would not even take the time to remember what i said hence they could not say for sure if they were happening. my children think i do not need others to say they have seen them because they say they know i will put them here and the world will have to admit my dreams are happening. are they from God? well with the dreams i have had about God i would definately say yes. as far as being backward i might be. i am no genius. i try to remember scripture but for the life of me i can not. my memory is not the greatest but if God wanted me to quote scripture He would have given me the ability to do just that. He did not. He gave me the gift of prophecy. that is my gift. prophecy is messages from God nothing more. i pass them on. i do not judge others words or actions God is judge. He has the final word. as for fulfillment i do not know when the last day is i do not know what God will do next. only God knows that. not even His only Son knows those things so i can not say everything has been fulfilled. i can say He told me to tell the world. God is good and everything i have said about God is good. man makes the world bad. if man did as God has asked us to there would be no killing or hate. we would look at the 10 commandments as they should be looked at. law. Gods law. there would be no guile in us but we continue to carry it with us every day. i do not have to search the news for my dreams they just happen according to Gods words not mine. who can say 12 times that something will happen and it does the way they say it will? the chat rooms saw Gods words happen and yet they do not believe. when i have put 12 more dreams here will you believe after you see them happen? i think not. no one wants to believe that God is speaking to us because as we are now there is a doubt of a real God and the thought of sin is farthest from our minds. i am here to prove there is a God and His words shall be heeded or the payment shall be exacted from the sinners. i take nothing out of context. my dreams are always taken out of context though by people who do not want to believe. to prophecy is to receive a message from God and pass it onto whomever He wishes you to. that is what i do. i do not change His messages i pass them on as i receive them. they are for the world but some are answering personal questions i ask God. He will answer if we pray and i do pray every day. i thank God every day sometimes more than a hundred times a day. i am thankful for everything in my life. no one has taken the time to know me so no one can say they do. my family does not even know me. we all choose our lives but if we look at our lives we would all know our lives are guided and when bad things happen it is usually because we left our guide and chose another path. our free will gets us every time. thank God He gives us a fresh cut path back to Him. and i do claim to have revelations from God because i do. i was hoping you would have had the patience to see the next 2 dreams happen. they will be this weekend. an airport with a theft and red puffy spots from it and an earthquake that will shake someone awake. we will see. it is too bad all the christians i have spoken to about my dreams did not have the patience to see if God is real instead i was judged and found guilty without even looking at my evidence and going on hearsay from others. i hope you will keep watching though because i know what i am seeing. i know it is real and i know where it is coming from. peace and blessings, kate
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Post by renewedsaint on Nov 7, 2005 16:38:44 GMT -5
It was not my intent to offend. I am coming from the perspective that I believe is biblical, and that is that the Bible is God's revelation of himself and as it says, gives us all we need to lead godly lives. I was frustrated with you because the meaning you assigned to scripture was incorrect and seemed self-serving (which is often what happens with Christians not taught how to study scripture correctly). I have read much of your site, have not concluded you are false, have only challenged your beliefs as they do not all line up with the Word, which IS what other Christians will judge you by. I've asked for detail on how your dreams line up with events and do not receive more detail. I honestly believe if you expect others to overcome their unbelief, you'll need to "interpret" the dreams more clearly, assigning symbols to events and such. If you want Christians to accept what you say, know they will judge you the way God tells them to, by your fruit, as I've tried to do. Being on the Internet that is hard to do, so many want to see if your prophecies line up with the Word. Considering the judge of a prophet is that they be 100% correct according to the Bible, one false prophecy and they have every right to reject your dreams. I can't urge you enough to be more detailed in showing how your dreams line up with events.
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Post by Kate on Nov 7, 2005 17:41:36 GMT -5
did Christ not say He had other folds we did not know of? that can be interpreted many ways. yes it can mean gentiles but how do we know what He meant by that statement. He did not clarify Himself. we do know that there are others who do follow the same God we do. my dreams are all happening. the one with the airport will happen we will just have to wait and see how. i am not told how i am just told it will. just as the girl (myself in the dream) will be awakened in her room by a violent shaking. i have seen enough happen that i know they will. i say they are from God because i have been shown many dreams and some were specifically from God for specific people such as the president saddam hussein and khomeini. what i told them happened just as i saw them in the dream there was no symbolism. as i saw them they saw them. i do not know how or where these dreams will happen i just know they will. the bible does give all we need to lead a God fearing life but how many want to? how many do you know follow Gods 10 laws? i know very few. and most of them go too far in interpreting the words in the bible. they judge and we are not judges. i know some men who think their wives must submit to their every word. God made woman from mans rib. not to be walked on under foot not to be above but to be equal, from the side to be a companion close to the heart to be loved. i see very little of that. there are more ways to interpret any idea than can be conceived but God does not use symbolism in His messages He gives me. i do not know how they will turn out i just accept with faith that they will. and you did not offend me. people have thickened my skin considerably when it comes to God. i have my beliefs and i accept everyone elses beliefs as their own. if people choose to listen to my messages i am glad if they do not i do not care my messages are here for all to read. i do not say anyone must believe i am saying it is my job to tell them. i just want to do my job in peace. there are some who do not want to see my messages get out and that is fine. my son will keep them out so i can do my job in peace. i can not stop their hate but i can keep their hateful words out of my life. i can only put the dreams on here as i see them i can not interpret how God will manifest them but He will. you will see with patience. God does not speak to me in all of my dreams but when He tells me to do something i do it. i am putting all of my dreams here because of the dream i had of Him telling me to tell the world of my dreams. i do not know why He wanted me to i just do as i am told. when my dreams are finally given to the world i am sure there will be many who will remember things they saw such as daphna. israel may have blocked my last calls but she saw many dreams happen before they took her off of her job. and there are many more who will come forward with dreams they witnessed. God gives me witnesses and i am sure it is for a reason. i will just have to wait and see why. keep questioningand please keep watching. that is the job of all who follow God. the good servant will keep a vigil watch and not be found asleep at the gate. i am watching and patiently waiting. He is coming in the clouds who will be ready?
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Post by Kate on Nov 13, 2005 16:14:46 GMT -5
we have been getting signs for some time now. i have seen them for almost 50 years now and i am seeing nature showing signs also. look around. even the crop circles have increased. and look at how beautiful that proof is. i like the strands of pearls best. they were a gift. as all of them are. look at the signs. God says He wants peace and that is all i ask everyone here. why can't we come together even for a short time and thank God as brothers and sisters. as a real family. a loving family. just bow your head with me for a few seconds all at once and Hear God together. my sister always told me that organization is the key to success. why can't we get an organisation together and pass on Gods word. peace. i see these things for a reason. to make Gods messages to us real. help me make His word real. peace and blessings, kate
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Post by renewedsaint on Nov 14, 2005 18:37:35 GMT -5
Not only was it prophesied in the Old Testament, but the New Testament speaks of God making the Gentiles and Jews of "one" body. If you read this in context of previous verses and chapters, you'll see he is referring to the Gentiles and Jews. The "other fold" he plans to make "one" are the Gentiles. It has already been fulfilled through Christ's atoning death.
Ephesians 2
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But now in Christ Jesus, you who were far away have been brought near by the blood of the Messiah.
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For He is our peace, who made both groups one and tore down the dividing wall of hostility. In His flesh,
2:15
He did away with the law of the commandments in regulations, so that He might create in Himself one new man from the two, resulting in peace.
2:16
He did this so that He might reconcile both to God in one body through the cross and put the hostility to death by it.
2:17
When Christ came, He proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.
2:18
For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
And, if you turn back to John 10, you'll see He never says we do not know of this fold. Christ was prophesying in that statement to His Jewish disciples who did not understand what He was about to accomplish with His death, but would understand that statement in hindsight.
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Post by Kate on Nov 14, 2005 19:01:32 GMT -5
do you see my dreams yet? we do not know what Christ shall bring when He returns to bring about peace but i have seen many dreams and i have to believe what i am seeing. i have been watching these dreams all of my life and i have read the bible many times hoping for more enlightenment but i still continue to dream and they continue to happen so i must follow what my heart tells me. i do not ask you to believe me but watch me. i do not ask you to change your beliefs but tell others of my words. i hope you are putting my dreams on other sites still so they can witness what i do. eventually there will be no disputes. too many to say they are coincidental. it is not hindsight it is Gods word as He speaks it. all i ask is patience and to keep watching. peace and blessings, kate
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Post by renewedsaint on Nov 14, 2005 19:07:40 GMT -5
We do know what Christ will bring when He returns, and how he'll return. It is all revealed to us in the book of Revelation.
I do not judge based on whether they come true, but whether they exhibit the character and knowledge of Yahweh, the Christian God.
As I've said, Satan is capable of divination, the telling of the future, in a limited sense. But, the Bible also calls him the Father of Lies.
I'm still interested in knowing what in particular has given you the certainty this is the Christian God.
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Post by Kate on Nov 15, 2005 6:28:25 GMT -5
because my dreams are the only place i hear truth. i have not seen nor have i heard lies of any kind. God is good to me and i believe.
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Post by Kate on Nov 15, 2005 17:19:52 GMT -5
hi rebecca i know you are reading and i like the bantering with you but i want you to be comfortable with me and my beliefs even if you do not see the same way i do but remember that i care about everyone. that was the price of taking off my blinders. i worry about everyone and since i am a believer in Christ i know that there are many who do not. i feel like i need to tell the world about my dreams because they do not know God as i do. i am not saying they are wrong i am just saying maybe since God is sending messages through someone who believes in Christ they might want to hear what i am saying. His message is of peace. maybe finding God is not through a belt of dynamite strapped to ones body. maybe if we just took the time to look at my messages we could find another way. but then the world would have to hear and all could be saved. maybe we are not all supposed to be saved and that is why God has not let my dreams become public. or maybe it is up to us to decide wheather we want everyone to find God. since i can not think of anyone who i would not want to be with me in the last days i can not judge i can only tell the world and ask others like you to help me pass it on. the non believers will weed themselves out in the end. i just want to tell them of the signs i am being shown. we all deserve to hear the word it is what we do with the word when we hear it. the test. who passes and who fails. i will do all i can to pass my test. hope you are having a good night. peace and blessings, kate
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