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Post by RenewedSaint on Nov 1, 2005 7:27:29 GMT -5
Hi Kate, I don't know if you are open to this. But, here is a book I recommend that teaches you how to interpret dreams using God's Word as the authority and teacher. If you are serious about being Christian and following the Christian God, then this book offers training in a biblical way. You say all your dreams are telling the future, but the general and biblical experience is that they are usually symbolic. You might consider some of your more unusual ones in that light (like the one I posted with the red box and sores). I pray you are open to learning from other Christians. cwgministries.org/5-How-to-Receive-Gods-Counsel-Through-Dreams.htmRenewedSaint
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Post by kate on Nov 1, 2005 10:44:48 GMT -5
rebecca if you can be patient with me you will see i do not need to interpret my dreams. God gives me these dreams for you not me. if they needed to be interpreted then they would not be prophetic. i wish i could just say i am going to dream tonight but it does not work that way. when God has something for me to say He will tell me and what He says is quite clear. i am afraid the dream will be just as i saw it. puffy red sores. what could cause sores like that. like the black rice i dreamed of under the microscope. when the disease started killing people the disease looked like black rice under the microscope. i did not interpret that dream and it happened just as God said it would. i do not want to try to second guess God but i still wonder what kind of sickness causes red puffiness. i say i am a christian because i believe in the Son of God. i do not follow a religious organization because most do not believe as i do and most want to change my beliefs. i respect others beliefs until they give me a reason not to. then i go my way. God chooses who He wants me to be around. the list is very short and they believe without doubt because they have seen my dreams. they want to be around me because they accept me for who i am not what i am. patience is something God taught me long ago. it is a lesson we all need every once in awhile. one of the hardest lessons to learn for all of us. so be patient and do not try to change the dreams. wait to see what God has to say about them. there will be plenty of doubters after the dream. many who say coincidences are the cause. peace and blessings, kate
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Post by kate on Nov 1, 2005 12:28:45 GMT -5
dave i have asked you for the last 3 years to leave me alone. your values are not values i want to be around. please stop the negative talk stop e mailing others who i have coming here to hear Gods messages. they do not know me so why harass them. why would you want to talk to total strangers about you and what you perceive yourself to be. you do not believe Gods messages you never did so why are you worried about what is being said here. haven't you hurt enough people yet? you are the one spreading the hate and lies here not me. stay out of my life. leave these innocent people alone. they do not want to be hurt by you. stop e mailing my mother and stay away from my family and friends. you chose the path of destruction so do not try to cover it now in my forum. i pay for this space i do not charge anything for others to view it and i would appretiate it if you wound not come here smearing it with your hate and lies. please leave me alone and everyone else here. let me speak of my God in peace without your hate. let everyone make their own decissions about my dreams.
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Post by RenewedSaint on Nov 1, 2005 13:27:01 GMT -5
Hi Kate,
I think you are incorrect to say that if it is prophetic it does not need to be interpreted. Look at the entire book of Revelation, full of symbolism. Old Testament dreams were full of animals representing government powers. God uses symbolism in dreams more often than not. Again, I am coming from the perspective that the Bible is our ONLY authority on these matters.
The Quran is not an authority because it is not the same God, they differ in a fundamental revelation of God provided through the divine son of God Jesus Christ.
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Post by kate on Nov 1, 2005 15:32:51 GMT -5
patience, i can not stress it enough. the quran was written by a man just as the bible was we do not know why or who wrote them we can just read them and take our thoughts from them. to the muslims Jesus was a great prophet so obviously He spoke to them too. to christians He is the Son of God. i have learned by patience and watching my dreams happen time and time again as God told me not interpreting them to change them to my idea of what i thought they should mean. this is why i just put the dream on here and that is all. i need not add anything to Gods messages. did you look at the 7/5 dream i gave the chat rooms? i told them the dream. the things about the box there and my children had nothing to do with the message but i want everyone to see how i am receiving my messages. the part where i looked through the microscope is the message and i knew that and i said that. i knew there would be a disease and there was. i will see sores swollen and red in about a week. i know they will start in an airport. i know God already knows who is going to do it. i do not want to interpret anything but if others want to they can and perhaps they will see something themselves. because i read the quran does not mean i follow it but i was told by God to take off my blinders when i thought the only written word i could believe is the bible. i have also read about taoism buddhism and many other religions that does not mean i follow them. nor do i follow christians who can not find compassion in their religion. i have found that staying alone suites me the most. i prefer seclusion to trying to figure out wheather the people i come in contact with are true or just users looking for another mark. i speak truth but there are many who do not. i would rather not meet people than believe lies and put up with dishonesty. lets just wait with patience and see if God is really speaking to us. do not concern yourself with my beliefs. my message is one of peace. many will not want to hear it because they do not want peace it would bring major changes into their lives. changes they do not want because they are filled with hate. let us wait for the still small voice together. He is coming with fire and a sword is in His mouth. all we can do is what is right in our hearts. peace nd blessings, kate
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Post by kate on Nov 1, 2005 20:06:23 GMT -5
i do not know about the rest of the country but it is time to vote here. i always told my kids that if you want a say in your city you must vote. i see now through hindsite that i was wrong. the ones trying to get into office can do whatever they want to get into office. it is hard to see truth if our own government will let lies be spread to smear others for their own good. where is the true government? the ones who are supposed to protect us. i do not see it. all i see is tax hikes and alot of perks for government workers on the higher levels. it seems the little guys do not have a chance. what is wrong for the small is ok for the high and mighty. money talks and gets you off if you have done wrong. i would like for one time to see a campaign with truth in it. never happen. no one wants to see the truth. no one wants to speak it either. truth hurts especially if you are politicing and there are politicians everywhere. look around listen to the lines.
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Post by Ray on Nov 1, 2005 23:16:39 GMT -5
Hi Kate, I think you are incorrect to say that if it is prophetic it does not need to be interpreted. Look at the entire book of Revelation, full of symbolism. Old Testament dreams were full of animals representing government powers. God uses symbolism in dreams more often than not. Again, I am coming from the perspective that the Bible is our ONLY authority on these matters. The Quran is not an authority because it is not the same God, they differ in a fundamental revelation of God provided through the divine son of God Jesus Christ. There has to be a reason for this forum. Perhaps it's a forum for "good-hearted" networking. The first five chapters of the old testament has some very interesting reading. Instead of thinking how we differ, perhaps now is a time to think of how we are the same. I also agree that Kate might consider reading your suggested reading concerning dream interpretation. I believe that God has a message for not only the world but for Kate too. When Kate interpretes the meaning of these dreams, she can tell us what she thinks they mean. I think it's a message of peace. As far as the critical posts by someone who knows her, perhaps you should registar on the website and let us know who you are. Unless Kate is correct and you have nothing better to do then hassel my sister. Kate, I think renewed saint is a good person and you should open your heart and ears to some of her suggestions. I'm not saying that either one has to agree with each other, just that this person has a good heart. Ray
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Post by RenewedSaint on Nov 2, 2005 12:51:56 GMT -5
Kate,
I say with sadness that we do not serve the same God. I say this partially because you do not believe the Bible to be infallible and god-inspired. That is a core belief of any Christian. Our God has made himself known through His Word, the Bible. I understand that your dreams do come true, but I can say they either come from my God (Jesus Christ) and are meant to lead you to him (through proper interpretation), or they come from His enemy and are meant to keep you from the free gift of eternal life that my God offers.
The interesting thing about Jesus Christ is that He tells us there is nothing, NOTHING, we can do that will ever earn our place in heaven. No amount of love, peace, or good works will ever amount to the sinless offering of His life provided as atonement for our sins. I know you agree that man is basically depraved and sinful. God says "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". I invite you to seek God outside your dreams. To rely solely on your dreams for your concept and leading about God is to say the least unreliable. Wouldn't you prefer tangible proof outside of our own fallible minds? I can lead you to that proof, that Jesus Christ is who He says He is. If you truly believe He is the Son of God, then you will believe the Word, because Jesus Christ IS the Word and He existed before the foundations of the earth. I believe because He led me here, He is seeking you, Kate. The one true God wants you in His kingdom.
I have no hatred for you. I do not judge you. I simply offer you a way out of the bondage you are in. Is your life fruitful? Are you truly living in peace? Did you know that God (Jesus Christ) offers us life more abundant, not one of isolation and dread?
Ray, I thank you for your kind words. You do an amazing job of supporting without condemning your sister. I encourage you to rely on the infallible, god-breathed Word to test her spirit. See if what I say is true. And, in love, turn her more wholeheartedly towards the one that saves.
In Christian love, RenewedSaint
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